We should develop a world government to make the world a much better place

PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
Anyone interested in working on a really large and difficult project that will drastically change the whole world?

Read my original post here
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  • jpritikinjpritikin Member Posts: 29
    How do we deal with the military? I don't know the answer to that question, but I think it will become more clear a few years after ethereum is launched. Making predictions now seems foolhardy.
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    We have to strife for a world in where war will be obsolete!
  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    Are you programmer?

    What do you want me to do if I "interested in working on a really large and difficult project that will drastically change the whole world"?

    Do you have a plan mr.Fix?
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014
    Well at first i just want to see who is interested in a project like this. Also i don't want the project lead or lead programmer.

    Second phase would be brainstorming a LOT :)

    I am in fact a programmer yeah, but i don't have any experience working in a group. This stuff is also extremely complicated so i'm not sure what programming i can actually contribute, but i am willing to. I understand most stuff about Bitcoin and Ethereum technically though. We all can learn together.

    P.S.: There's no need for sarcasm or degrating me, i know this stuff is almost impossible to realize, but we have to start SOMEWHERE! Ethereum just gives us the tools to change the world, WE actually have to do it!
  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    Didnt intend to offend you, sorry
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014
    xnet said:

    Didnt intend to offend you, sorry

    So are you interested to change the world in some way? :smile:

    A lot of my views are probably impossible and/or wrong in some way, so the more people we can gather, the better of a system we can come up with.

    Even if we would just talk about it, we're doing more than we do right now. If we do nothing at all the world will still be a mess for the next decenia or even centuries.
  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    No need to gather much people to made such system. You are starting in a wrong way imho

    Sure, Im interested in it, otherwise I didnt comment
  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    Say more, I'm here to try to make it real)))
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    xnet said:

    No need to gather much people to made such system. You are starting in a wrong way imho

    Sure, Im interested in it, otherwise I didnt comment

    Ok, then make it right :smile:

    What's your way then?

  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    I think we have to assess our governments and delegate authorities, not to collaboratively work out certain decisions

    I have some kind of whitepaper, but all of my materials is in Russian, and my English not so good as I wish)))))
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    xnet said:

    I think we have to assess our governments and delegate authorities, not to collaboratively work out certain decisions

    I have some kind of whitepaper, but all of my materials is in Russian, and my English not so good as I wish)))))

    So are you talking more of things in the real world than making a decentralized system?
  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    edited December 2014
    Im talking about decentralized voting & making decisions system, transparent blockchain electoral system
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014
    xnet said:

    Im talking about decentralized voting & making decisions system

    Me too, and also a system to reward helping others. I send you a PM.

    There's already things like http://www.bitcongress.org/

  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    I've already read that. It is similar
  • andregoianoandregoiano SingaporeMember Posts: 6
    Hi guys, I've been collecting some thought on the same topic here:
    https://medium.com/borderless-world

    Keen on entering the brainstorming.
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014

    Hi guys, I've been collecting some thought on the same topic here:
    https://medium.com/borderless-world

    Interesting, we should gather as much people as possible that have similar idea's about this topic and actually start working on something. Just posting messages and brainstorming won't change anything.

    On what platform do you propose we can start a community? Please don't say Facebook or Skype haha.
  • andregoianoandregoiano SingaporeMember Posts: 6
    I'd say a github wiki is not a bad idea. From the wiki we can move to coding/prototyping once ideas start to take shape.
  • andregoianoandregoiano SingaporeMember Posts: 6
    Also, make sure to check the work of Primavera de Filippi (https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/pdefilippi). She brings in an interesting connection between law and technology on this space. There are some of her papers on ssrn.com and academia.edu.
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014

    I'd say a github wiki is not a bad idea. From the wiki we can move to coding/prototyping once ideas start to take shape.

    Sounds good, but i think we're not in that stage yet since we don't know much about each other. So for now we can just make a Skype group or something to get to know each other a little better and see if most of our idea's match with everyone i guess?

  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014
    I updated the original post with a possible implementation of the identity registration system, protocol and infrastructure:

    Registering to the system:
    • In order to prevent fraud, specialized facilities around the world should be build (building towards a worldwide infrastructure so every region on earth has one). These register facilities have devices that are connected to the system and only allow confirmation signitures from the chosen people for that day so nobody else can ever register to the system without their permission.
    • When a new person wants to register to the system he/she can place an inquiry in the system on the website or at a register facility closest to your area if you don't have internet access (this inquiry includes information of the country and city you live right now).
    • Random people will be chosen for registration duty at their nearest registration facility to prevent fraudulent registration of new people.
    • People that have been chosen for register duty have immunity until every person in the system has been chosen. After that the cycle starts over.
    • Registration duty will be one of the highest paying jobs.
    • The system automatically and intelligently schedules registration days in all area's in the world based on the amount of registration inquiries to make it as efficient as possible. This means that people with registration duty always have the same amount of registrations to process in a day (or possibly session, which is a few hours at most). This also means that your area might not have registrations for a while until the quota is met.
    • Everyone that placed an inquiry to register to the system can look in the system on what date and time he/she can complete the registration and at what registration facility.
    • On the actual date and time of the registration your fingerprint and/or a sample of DNA will be taken, which will be encrypted and saved in the blockchain (just a hash, the actual DNA data which is quite huge from my understanding can go on a decentralized cloud service like Ethereum's SWARM for example).
    • Every new registration requires any X of the Y "employee's" present at the facility to confirm the registration by signing with their DNA.
    • At the end of each registration day the system moves any unfinished inquires to the next day.
    • In the beginning of the system the first person that registers doesn't need confirmation since there is nobody else in the system, then every new registration the amount of confirmation by other people increases by 1 until there are X + 1 people in the system. From that point on it will require the normal X amount of confirmations.
    • People under 18 need to be registered and accompanied by someone above 18?
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  • andregoianoandregoiano SingaporeMember Posts: 6
    You can benchmark some of these thoughts against a still centralized (but digital) version: http://www.egov-estonia.eu. Some enhancements of the user experience might come out of it. I will do the same when I have some free time.
  • xnetxnet Member Posts: 9
    @‌PunchPlump, Who will pay for registation duty?

    do you offer some kind of membership dues?
  • danielrdanielr Member Posts: 1
    I am interested in this project. It seems like step one is to get people to use digital currencies more than they use government issued currencies.
  • Kainedog78Kainedog78 Member Posts: 6
    I myself have put some thought into this a few months ago too. I think one of the most important things to consider when rebuilding how we think as a whole... is to incorporate the idea that you never consume more natural resources than you can replace. With our current operation our time is limited here before we run entirely out of resources. We need "Rules" put in place to assure that under "No" circumstances... ever... do we allow business' to operate in a manner that does not somehow replace used resources. There will never be a time as good as now, with the idea of a new "World Government", to implement a plan to address this.
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014
    I totally forgot about Bitnation, they want most of the same things as we want. Maybe we should team up with them in some shape or form.
  • PunchPlumpPunchPlump Member Posts: 12
    edited December 2014
    xnet said:

    @‌PunchPlump, Who will pay for registation duty?

    do you offer some kind of membership dues?

    One implementation could be that there would be a "government bank" with all the money from the voluntary tax system (you pay only what you need, for example: insurance, medical help, roads etc.).

    The amount that will be paid per job will (automatically) be based on supply and demand for example.
  • YoGiSoNYoGiSoN Member Posts: 1
    Love the PASSION and thinking processes in all the comments above and even more so that it is in a forum that has the technology toolbox that can truly bring about the paradigm shift that we all aspire too and I am compelled to come and check-in ever so often while I align the various global Gov2Gov, eGov, G-Cloud and new paradigm forums that I'm already part of since I co-created Gov2Gov in the early 90's blah blah blah..... oh yes should it be a requirement I am a "Programmer" not limited too and have designed, developed, managed and supported many Extreme Programming initiatives in several governments across most ministries etc etc

    Anyone interested in working on a really large and difficult project that will drastically change the whole world?

    Read my original post here

    YES PLEASE !!! @PunchPlump‌ ... I have worked through your original post and want to emphasize that Blockchain technology is a brilliant answer to Service Delivery Management/Electoral Register/Governance and all things that is Suppose to be "Public Record" !!! (The fact that TRANSPARENCY of Public Records breeds its own evils further nominate BlockChain technology as the best current solution)

    I do however disagree with including HumanCoin or any other Value System as the basis of participation. as any common wealth idealism, disabled or other non-contributing citizens like incarcerated members or just non-participants in this initiative would immediately classify it as some "ism" (Elitism-Capitalism-Socialism-Communism) ..Not to mention the elephant in the room called Sovereignty ....we could have philosophical debates for centuries to come to this same conclusion that Governance is not Commerce and when Governed "correctly" citizens will naturally aspire to equal exchange and equality. Governments or States peg down a piece of land to be entitled to taxes in their own currency to exorcise Governance all under the illusion of Sovereignty @danielr‌ this paradigm is already being shifted by cryptocurrency omnicoins and thus can be included at any later stage as a Sidechain et al.

    We should move away from the direct association of Blockchain and Coin/Currency/Money, as there are many other abstracts that makes the World Go Round when we think about Global Governance that we need to still consider to NOT-consider like heritage, culture, diversity, unity that is best left to politicians ...as programmers we will ensure that the votes are tallied and that the electorates are bound by their manifestos and the process of decision making and the process by which decisions are implemented, the analysis of the formal and informal actors involved in decision-making and implementing of the decisions made and monitor the formal and informal structures that have been set in place to arrive at and implement the decisions.

    And for @Kainedog78‌ the “Carbon Footprint” is monitored and evaluated throughout the entire value chain to aggregate and automate access to environmental and energy information to gain insight and grow business towards Zero Waste with Environmental Intelligence, while we comply to the GHG Protocol for Global Impact Climate Change prevention that Support Local Collaborative Public Participative Governance for Human Wellness and Prosperity that exemplify the conscious awareness that Recycling or Energy Efficiency is not something that we should strive to archive; it is the Bare Minimum for Human Sustainability, towards mapping a sustainable economy around energy consumption and developing efficiency modals that identify symbiotic-opportunities, within and across all communities, fashioning our rich diversity for victory on our road of recovery that institute effective Governance, promote Public Participation and sustain Political Constituencies as UN-corruptible while supporting fast paced Technology driven Economies that is our citizen-centered, decentralized autonomous governance system !!

    Hi guys, I've been collecting some thought on the same topic here:
    https://medium.com/borderless-world

    Keen on entering the brainstorming.

    @andregoiano‌ has already identified the preferred approach to manage the sovereignty issue in his "Borderless World" article as the 3rd Way: "a layer of peer-to-peer, cloud-based governance on top of all existing, traditional government infrastructures" ...please read his article, besides being worth it, it is as all inclusive to this post. With the addition based on a paper I wrote : DEFINING AN EFFICIENCY MODEL FOR DIGITAL COMMUNITIES IN A GOVERNMENT CLOUD; of a 3rd path to the 2 paths one could choose in order to start designing this governance experience:

    1.) mapping its simplest unit, the individual citizen and its needs,
    2.) or taking a look at the most complex organization, the whole government itself
    3.) mapping business and its activity with itself and to the first 2 paths.

    These 3 paths constitutes the 3 major actors in the governance of a society and creates a foundation of excellence with self-validating referential integrity found within a 3-way efficiency model.

    YEAH !!! So I believe we now know who we building the system for, with the 3 major Actors being::

    Citizens-Businesses-Governments

    Now lets look at an High Level Logical Architecture of all the Apps or Ethereum Contracts and name it the Application Store for Government (ASG) in our Ethereum Government Cloud.

    The Application Store for Government is defined in the Ethereum Government Cloud ICT Strategy as a gateway to sharing and reuse of online business applications, services and components between public sector organisations. In other words the ASG can be thought of as a portal where commissioners or purchasers of services can browse a catalogue of available services. The ASG will also provide detailed information relating to costs, capacity, service levels and lead times required to get a particular service live. The ASG will use the G-Cloud Services Interchange, described below, as the data store of available services.

    As a key piece of the G-Cloud infrastructure, the ASG must be fully resilient and fault tolerant. In line with the principles outlined in this document, the ASG must not act as either a bottleneck or a single point of failure for users wishing to purchase or provision services from the Ethereum G-Cloud.

    Ethereum G-Cloud Services Interchange (EGC-SI) Certified Suppliers will publish services to the Ethereum G-Cloud Services Interchange (EGC-SI). The ASG will be the portal to purchase and provision services published on the EGC-SI. Provisioning a service via the ASG will act as the trigger for the monitoring service data flows.

    Additional notes:
    1. To describe and map out the physical and logical technical components of the Ethereum G-Cloud system, as opposed to a map of the conceptual elements.
    2. To show how those elements interact with each other and with the Public Sector Network (PSN).
    3. Central services such as authentication and mail relay are considered “just another hosted application”.
    4. Brand names are used for example purposes only and are not an indication of preference or intent to purchase under any procurement.
    5. Certified Components Repository (CCR) another element tightly linked (via an API, or possibly part of the same system) to the ASG will be the repository of software, database schemas and virtual machine images certified for use in the Ethereum G-Cloud. These components would be made available for selection via the ASG where they can be deployed onto the Ethereum G-Cloud. This process could be automated, for example the user or service integrator would request the desired infrastructure or platform via the ASG , which would then interface with the CCR in order to supply it with the information necessary, for example an IP address or an SSH key, to deploy the component onto the newly instantiated infrastructure or platform.
    6. Data services as discussed the opportunities provided by abstracting data and applying common data models.
    7. Monitoring Services In order to facilitate monitoring, maintenance and fault management of Ethereum G-Cloud services, monitoring services will be necessary. It is not proposed that there be one central monitoring service. Instead, Ethereum G-Cloud suppliers will be required to have their services monitored by a means to be decided. For example, a requirement on an IaaS provider might be that they supply and IP address for their data centers‟ core routers and allow ICMP pings from other select suppliers and Ethereum G-Cloud users, and that they also allow for the installation of probe equipment in their data centers.
    8. Public Sector Network Service Information Monitor (PSN SIM) The PSN SIM is outside the scope of this document, however, a simplified description maybe useful here for context. The PSN SIM will be a centralized record of the PSN services, dependencies and users. Network suppliers will report the status of the portions of the network which they manage to the SIM to facilitate fault tracking. A Dependency Map will be used by the SIM to provide alerts and notifications for incidents relating to dependent services.
    9. When provisioning services via the ASG, the Dependency Map, described by the Service Management work strand, will need to be updated so as to facilitate end to end service monitoring. Ideally the PSN SIM would be programmatically updated by the EGC-SI. Automatically deployed services could then be monitored via the same system.
    ASG LISTED APPS/CONTRACTS
    Apps Listed in the Application Store for Governments (ASG)

    1.) Registering ....

    2.) (Biometric?) identification ...

    3.) Voting ...

    4.) Job ...

    5.) Possession ... [Asset Register]

    6.) Law ..

    7.) Citizens Managed Care (National Health Information)

    8.) 3D Tracking

    9.) City Manager Cloud - Municipal Services

    10.) City Media Channels - Radio/TV

    11.) Connecting My Classroom - Education

    12.) Counting My Carbon – EEM

    13.) Counting My Citizens - Tourism

    14.) Counting My Commuters - Traffic

    15.)


    ........etc etc etc. ....Once we have a more formal work space ??

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME!







  • kcchngkcchng Singapore / NYCMember Posts: 4
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  • JasperJasper Eindhoven, the NetherlandsMember Posts: 514 ✭✭✭
    I think 'world government' aims too high, but working through it could be an educational excercise. I would sooner see it as research. Might want to look at some DAOs that Ollofsons DAOs and also Dennis McKinnon made.

    We should be careful not to be too ad-hoc in creating systems. They're not as persuasive, and might simply not work well. To make things that work, find interactions that work well, and to avoid concentrations of wealth and power.. This is understanding economics, game theory, human minds, avoiding being too political about it, and then figuring out how to build a system. I specifically say "human minds", not human behavior; state of mind helps determine behavior.

    Well, not to say we build something and then all is set in stone. I.e. if you figure out a really good voting system you can vote to change the voting system, or anything else. But i think it is good to get off on the right foot and look at those three unpoliticalizedly.

    Also, an OnePerID could be very useful, needed for (some kinds of)voting, and also Unconditional Basic Income.(UBI)(though also seen the idea of UBI informing OnePerID. I take @PunchPlump idea to seek OnePerID? (Btw Feel free to use that wiki, do note that it is for bitvote though, so careful a bit with existing pages.)

    Might sound bad coming from one of the longer posts, but I worry people, including me, will not be able to follow. Simply because texts are too long. That is why you need to create subtopics, like OnePerID. All goods have to be created somehow, and governments dont bother with them all. Instead businesses do so. This is critical for freedom of enterprise, and the government simply would not be able to deal with it. (Also, as Russell Brand put it, it makes economics political)

    Government mainly keeps itself busy with public goods and common goods, which, if dealt with by businesses, wont work well. It does so either by producing said goods itself, or by using rules to change the kind-of-good it is. Keep in mind the table of that wiki page. For instance, really, every item is a common good, however, laws say you can't just take my laptop. I get exclusivity over my laptop, making it a private good. This helps because i only have that over this one. If i think it weighs too much, i wont throw it in a ditch and just grab some other one.(because those are exclusive to others) There are others... I wrote a public goods and business models(thread) with this point among others. Infact in order to try get more people into making Ethereum and other systems work better with this regard.

    Goods are part of seeking to create welfare of people through those goods. But welfare is not everything. The other side is freedoms, including that of enterprise. Imo the freedom of enterprise means you cannot set all processes in stone.
  • EwaHelenEwaHelen Member Posts: 6
    I think the biggest problem is not a politics but people with money behind that (simple exemple).The History shows, that our humanity: dreams & love has been caught into a World Wide Concentration Camp .Almost no one answered for that crime and U.K. still don`t want to declassify their archive and the US intelligence agencies were brought Nazi scientists on board.So, guys: Someone said:"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice".
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